For example, we might know that we have played live poker for around 1,000 hours and that we usually get dealt about 30 hands per hour. Here is the formula: Calculating Cash Game Winrate. Cash game winrate in bb/100 = (Profit in bb / Number of hands). 100. Let's test our knowledge – We have played 100,000 hands of poker and won 3500 big.
- Many casinos won't allow 3CP players to even look at their hands until all cards are dealt. This was cutting into my hands per hour so I changed the procedures. Since the potential appeasement payout for a person that receives a good hand and then the shuffler dies is relatively small, I'm willing to take the risk.
- The rough figures for cash games are as follows: Average hands per hour for cash games. 60 hands/hour for full ring games. 85 hands/hour for short-handed games.
Steverinos
What is a rough estimate of how many hands per hour a relatively quick player can achieve?
TwoFeathersATL
What is a rough estimate of how many hands per hour a relatively quick player can achieve? Meridian bet casino.
You might want to specify a game, are you talking VP? Or BJ at a full table of ploppies?Youuuuuu MIGHT be a 'rascal' if....(nevermind ;-)..2F
Greasyjohn
600 an hour. 800 if you're really good. But that's just my guess.
Wizardofnothing
600 in bj is amazing
600 in vp is slow
No longer hiring, don't ask because I won't hire you either
Bigfshead
I can pound 1000 hph in FPDW. If I'm being really casual, pausing to smoke, look up a baseball score on my cell, gander at hot women, etc, I could go as low as 600 hph.
For DB, or DDb I'm a lot slower because I don't play it much and have to think about some of the holds. Likely around 600 hph because I'm trying to make sure my holds are correct and spur my memory. Ten years ago when I played those more 800 hph was easy.
For DB, or DDb I'm a lot slower because I don't play it much and have to think about some of the holds. Likely around 600 hph because I'm trying to make sure my holds are correct and spur my memory. Ten years ago when I played those more 800 hph was easy.
bobbartop
I can pound 1000 hph in FPDW.
That's really crankin by my standards. I'm probably under 800 consistently. But the original poster should hear the stories of Frank Kneeland. I assume most on this group already know what he can do. And it's true, I've seen him play. It's freakish.
'Emergencies' have always been the pretext on which the safeguards of individual liberty have been eroded.
AxelWolf
Make money betting blackjack. That's really crankin by my standards. I'm probably under 800 consistently. But the original poster should hear the stories of Frank Kneeland. I assume most on this group already know what he can do. And it's true, I've seen him play. It's freakish.
Many people could play 2 different machines fast and watch/help a rookie at the same time. Some can even play FPDW and a 10/7 DB at the same time.
People need to understand that playing 2 machines on the older machines was very different, because you had time to look back and fourth when cards were being dealt, you got a rhythm going. I'm not sure if playing 2 fast flash credit machines can be played efficiently. By the time you look at the other machine your fist had is ready to go anyways. I stopped playing 2 machines simultaneously because it is a big red flag that affects all VP AP's negativity. It just brings to much attention and it sometimes pisses off ploppys and locals. I certainly wouldn't want to be playing next someone playing 2 machines simultaneously. If I was going to do it I would reserve playing 2 machines for a super strong promo where the machines were slow. If you're waiting on a hand pay or promo payout and start playing the machine next to you.
I have had the opportunity to watch many known serial speedy 2 bangers, the mistakes are often (It's all well and good when you're playing with OPM.) If the play is good enough then it's possibly worth the mistakes.
I have won some bets regarding number of hands people can get out. No one has ever lived up to their claim I felt was unlikely. Usually there's a mistake within 15 min or less.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
RS
I usually play around 800 HPH, but I'm also not trying to play as fast as possible. If there's a reason to play fast (i.e.: time-limited promo), then I'd certainly play faster.
I used to play faster, about 1000 HPH. But that's also when I only knew 9/6 JOB. Learning other games and strategies, including altered RF strategies, makes me not as quick anymore.
Mistakes are gonna happen, you can't not make mistakes while playing at a reasonable speed, IMO. I don't play slower now because of mistakes..I play slower because I'd rather enjoy my time a little more than crank out the hands.
It's like going 90 MPH or 75 MPH...you're still gonna get to your destination, and you might save some time going faster, but I'd rather hang back and relax a bit, instead of having to focus 100% on driving (i.e.: I can talk with whomever I'm near).
I think if you're playing fewer than 600 HPH, then you probably shouldn't be playing because you don't know the strategy well enough. Should be able to instantly notice pairs, 3 flushes, 4 flushes, 4 straights, etc. But that also comes from experience/play time.
I used to play faster, about 1000 HPH. But that's also when I only knew 9/6 JOB. Learning other games and strategies, including altered RF strategies, makes me not as quick anymore.
Mistakes are gonna happen, you can't not make mistakes while playing at a reasonable speed, IMO. I don't play slower now because of mistakes..I play slower because I'd rather enjoy my time a little more than crank out the hands.
It's like going 90 MPH or 75 MPH...you're still gonna get to your destination, and you might save some time going faster, but I'd rather hang back and relax a bit, instead of having to focus 100% on driving (i.e.: I can talk with whomever I'm near).
I think if you're playing fewer than 600 HPH, then you probably shouldn't be playing because you don't know the strategy well enough. Should be able to instantly notice pairs, 3 flushes, 4 flushes, 4 straights, etc. But that also comes from experience/play time.
bobbartop
9/6 poker machines spin. I stopped playing 2 machines simultaneously because it is a big red flag that affects all VP AP's negativity. It just brings to much attention and it sometimes pisses off ploppys and locals. I certainly wouldn't want to be playing next someone playing 2 machines simultaneously.
I saw a guy at Skyline, playing two 10-coin FPDW machines at the same time, so essentially he is playing dollar FPDW. It annoyed me just looking at him and knowing what he was doing. Big red flag, but apparently the casino didn't mind. If I owned the place I would throw him out of there.
There's a regular at Sam's Town who plays two machines. They say he's a very nice guy and always asks other people if they want to sit and play one of the machines. Nice guy or not, it's just not the best of ideas. It doesn't look good.
I mentioned Frank Kneeland earlier, I think he has claimed to play over 2000 hands per hour, accurately. But he's a special person. Like Rain Man, only not that weird. Well, maybe a little weird. He's super smart, and super fast. Like one of those court stenographers. Do you know him or have you ever seen him play? I really liked him on the GWAE Show, he's very 'colorful'. Very very smart person.
'Emergencies' have always been the pretext on which the safeguards of individual liberty have been eroded.
Wizardofnothing
Better not say way- he may be a member and you will be punished 😉👍
No longer hiring, don't ask because I won't hire you either
DesertAx
Does anybody have reliable hands-per-hour information for common Casino Carnival games (Pai Gow, Three Card Poker, Four Card Poker, Ultimate Texas Holdem, Blackjack Switch, California Craps, California Roulette, etc)?
-and how are these numbers adjusted for rating players as 'Slow' 'Medium' and 'Fast'?
-and how are these numbers adjusted for rating players as 'Slow' 'Medium' and 'Fast'?
JB
Administrator
Administrator
How Many Hands Per Hour Live Poker Betting
See here and scroll to the bottom for some of the games you list.
teddys
UTH -- 38 hph
600 in vp is slow
That's really crankin by my standards. I'm probably under 800 consistently. But the original poster should hear the stories of Frank Kneeland. I assume most on this group already know what he can do. And it's true, I've seen him play. It's freakish.
Many people could play 2 different machines fast and watch/help a rookie at the same time. Some can even play FPDW and a 10/7 DB at the same time.
People need to understand that playing 2 machines on the older machines was very different, because you had time to look back and fourth when cards were being dealt, you got a rhythm going. I'm not sure if playing 2 fast flash credit machines can be played efficiently. By the time you look at the other machine your fist had is ready to go anyways. I stopped playing 2 machines simultaneously because it is a big red flag that affects all VP AP's negativity. It just brings to much attention and it sometimes pisses off ploppys and locals. I certainly wouldn't want to be playing next someone playing 2 machines simultaneously. If I was going to do it I would reserve playing 2 machines for a super strong promo where the machines were slow. If you're waiting on a hand pay or promo payout and start playing the machine next to you.
I have had the opportunity to watch many known serial speedy 2 bangers, the mistakes are often (It's all well and good when you're playing with OPM.) If the play is good enough then it's possibly worth the mistakes.
I have won some bets regarding number of hands people can get out. No one has ever lived up to their claim I felt was unlikely. Usually there's a mistake within 15 min or less.
I saw a guy at Skyline, playing two 10-coin FPDW machines at the same time, so essentially he is playing dollar FPDW. It annoyed me just looking at him and knowing what he was doing. Big red flag, but apparently the casino didn't mind. If I owned the place I would throw him out of there.
There's a regular at Sam's Town who plays two machines. They say he's a very nice guy and always asks other people if they want to sit and play one of the machines. Nice guy or not, it's just not the best of ideas. It doesn't look good.
I mentioned Frank Kneeland earlier, I think he has claimed to play over 2000 hands per hour, accurately. But he's a special person. Like Rain Man, only not that weird. Well, maybe a little weird. He's super smart, and super fast. Like one of those court stenographers. Do you know him or have you ever seen him play? I really liked him on the GWAE Show, he's very 'colorful'. Very very smart person.
Reliable? Well, casinos rely on them but for different purposes.
Originally Hands Per Hour would be rounded so Comp information could be done mentally by floor personnel who used index cards, not computer terminals. Now there is less need of rounding for human memory and math purposes but that doesn't necessarily mean current figures are indeed more accurate.
Some Sweat the Money houses really push their Blackjack dealers. Games that have lots of side bets take time for servicing and so have somewhat fewer hands per hour. Some casinos even use a smaller BJ table, so fewer people and no need to 'walk the game' makes the dealer go faster.
For comp purposes the figures are accurate enough. If you have some special need for accurate information that is up to date, try talking to a floorman at the casino and see what straight dope you can get.
If you are playing above 'comp speed' you are surrendering some of that edge back to the house; if you are playing at a slow table then you are earning comps at a rate that is ever so slightly faster than the house edge merits.
I can't imagine a need for ultra accurate information on this but many dealers will inadvertantly gripe about the last speed rating they had from management.
No longer hiring, don't ask because I won't hire you either
Bigfshead
I can pound 1000 hph in FPDW. If I'm being really casual, pausing to smoke, look up a baseball score on my cell, gander at hot women, etc, I could go as low as 600 hph.
For DB, or DDb I'm a lot slower because I don't play it much and have to think about some of the holds. Likely around 600 hph because I'm trying to make sure my holds are correct and spur my memory. Ten years ago when I played those more 800 hph was easy.
For DB, or DDb I'm a lot slower because I don't play it much and have to think about some of the holds. Likely around 600 hph because I'm trying to make sure my holds are correct and spur my memory. Ten years ago when I played those more 800 hph was easy.
bobbartop
I can pound 1000 hph in FPDW.
That's really crankin by my standards. I'm probably under 800 consistently. But the original poster should hear the stories of Frank Kneeland. I assume most on this group already know what he can do. And it's true, I've seen him play. It's freakish.
'Emergencies' have always been the pretext on which the safeguards of individual liberty have been eroded.
AxelWolf
Make money betting blackjack. That's really crankin by my standards. I'm probably under 800 consistently. But the original poster should hear the stories of Frank Kneeland. I assume most on this group already know what he can do. And it's true, I've seen him play. It's freakish.
Many people could play 2 different machines fast and watch/help a rookie at the same time. Some can even play FPDW and a 10/7 DB at the same time.
People need to understand that playing 2 machines on the older machines was very different, because you had time to look back and fourth when cards were being dealt, you got a rhythm going. I'm not sure if playing 2 fast flash credit machines can be played efficiently. By the time you look at the other machine your fist had is ready to go anyways. I stopped playing 2 machines simultaneously because it is a big red flag that affects all VP AP's negativity. It just brings to much attention and it sometimes pisses off ploppys and locals. I certainly wouldn't want to be playing next someone playing 2 machines simultaneously. If I was going to do it I would reserve playing 2 machines for a super strong promo where the machines were slow. If you're waiting on a hand pay or promo payout and start playing the machine next to you.
I have had the opportunity to watch many known serial speedy 2 bangers, the mistakes are often (It's all well and good when you're playing with OPM.) If the play is good enough then it's possibly worth the mistakes.
I have won some bets regarding number of hands people can get out. No one has ever lived up to their claim I felt was unlikely. Usually there's a mistake within 15 min or less.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
RS
I usually play around 800 HPH, but I'm also not trying to play as fast as possible. If there's a reason to play fast (i.e.: time-limited promo), then I'd certainly play faster.
I used to play faster, about 1000 HPH. But that's also when I only knew 9/6 JOB. Learning other games and strategies, including altered RF strategies, makes me not as quick anymore.
Mistakes are gonna happen, you can't not make mistakes while playing at a reasonable speed, IMO. I don't play slower now because of mistakes..I play slower because I'd rather enjoy my time a little more than crank out the hands.
It's like going 90 MPH or 75 MPH...you're still gonna get to your destination, and you might save some time going faster, but I'd rather hang back and relax a bit, instead of having to focus 100% on driving (i.e.: I can talk with whomever I'm near).
I think if you're playing fewer than 600 HPH, then you probably shouldn't be playing because you don't know the strategy well enough. Should be able to instantly notice pairs, 3 flushes, 4 flushes, 4 straights, etc. But that also comes from experience/play time.
I used to play faster, about 1000 HPH. But that's also when I only knew 9/6 JOB. Learning other games and strategies, including altered RF strategies, makes me not as quick anymore.
Mistakes are gonna happen, you can't not make mistakes while playing at a reasonable speed, IMO. I don't play slower now because of mistakes..I play slower because I'd rather enjoy my time a little more than crank out the hands.
It's like going 90 MPH or 75 MPH...you're still gonna get to your destination, and you might save some time going faster, but I'd rather hang back and relax a bit, instead of having to focus 100% on driving (i.e.: I can talk with whomever I'm near).
I think if you're playing fewer than 600 HPH, then you probably shouldn't be playing because you don't know the strategy well enough. Should be able to instantly notice pairs, 3 flushes, 4 flushes, 4 straights, etc. But that also comes from experience/play time.
bobbartop
9/6 poker machines spin. I stopped playing 2 machines simultaneously because it is a big red flag that affects all VP AP's negativity. It just brings to much attention and it sometimes pisses off ploppys and locals. I certainly wouldn't want to be playing next someone playing 2 machines simultaneously.
I saw a guy at Skyline, playing two 10-coin FPDW machines at the same time, so essentially he is playing dollar FPDW. It annoyed me just looking at him and knowing what he was doing. Big red flag, but apparently the casino didn't mind. If I owned the place I would throw him out of there.
There's a regular at Sam's Town who plays two machines. They say he's a very nice guy and always asks other people if they want to sit and play one of the machines. Nice guy or not, it's just not the best of ideas. It doesn't look good.
I mentioned Frank Kneeland earlier, I think he has claimed to play over 2000 hands per hour, accurately. But he's a special person. Like Rain Man, only not that weird. Well, maybe a little weird. He's super smart, and super fast. Like one of those court stenographers. Do you know him or have you ever seen him play? I really liked him on the GWAE Show, he's very 'colorful'. Very very smart person.
'Emergencies' have always been the pretext on which the safeguards of individual liberty have been eroded.
Wizardofnothing
Better not say way- he may be a member and you will be punished 😉👍No longer hiring, don't ask because I won't hire you either
DesertAx
Does anybody have reliable hands-per-hour information for common Casino Carnival games (Pai Gow, Three Card Poker, Four Card Poker, Ultimate Texas Holdem, Blackjack Switch, California Craps, California Roulette, etc)?
-and how are these numbers adjusted for rating players as 'Slow' 'Medium' and 'Fast'?
-and how are these numbers adjusted for rating players as 'Slow' 'Medium' and 'Fast'?
JB
Administrator
Administrator
How Many Hands Per Hour Live Poker Betting
See here and scroll to the bottom for some of the games you list.
teddys
UTH -- 38 hph'Dice, verily, are armed with goads and driving-hooks, deceiving and tormenting, causing grievous woe.' -Rig Veda 10.34.4
UCivan
See here and scroll to the bottom for some of the games you list.
How Many Hands Per Hour Live Poker
I am interested in knowing more about 'hands per hour' for Baccarat. Is 72 hands for a full table of 7 players, or just one player? Does it matter how many players on a table? It probably does not take into account of 'free hands'? Perhaps, we should take 10-20% off in average.FleaStiff
Does anybody have reliable hands-per-hour information for ..
Reliable? Well, casinos rely on them but for different purposes.
Originally Hands Per Hour would be rounded so Comp information could be done mentally by floor personnel who used index cards, not computer terminals. Now there is less need of rounding for human memory and math purposes but that doesn't necessarily mean current figures are indeed more accurate.
Some Sweat the Money houses really push their Blackjack dealers. Games that have lots of side bets take time for servicing and so have somewhat fewer hands per hour. Some casinos even use a smaller BJ table, so fewer people and no need to 'walk the game' makes the dealer go faster.
For comp purposes the figures are accurate enough. If you have some special need for accurate information that is up to date, try talking to a floorman at the casino and see what straight dope you can get.
If you are playing above 'comp speed' you are surrendering some of that edge back to the house; if you are playing at a slow table then you are earning comps at a rate that is ever so slightly faster than the house edge merits.
I can't imagine a need for ultra accurate information on this but many dealers will inadvertantly gripe about the last speed rating they had from management.
